Code Docta (Nick C.) 638 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Hey guys, Here are a couple more things I have learned on my Ubot journey. You can use a spare memory stick to increase the RAM of your PC thus speeding up your CPU on the whole. (not CPU processing. whatever RAM does) Here is a video that explains it just fine I hope and shows you the steps. It's real quick and easy trust me and this is not my video. I also know that some PC's wont let you do it because it is unnecessary for that PC. Plus. on my PC I used a 32GB flash drive to see how much I can increase but it only used 4GB of drive space. So, I had like 4 4GB thumbs and used those instead (across 4 PC's). You will not be able to use them for anything else but, you may reformat to use for something else at a later time. The other thing I wanted to share is if you run your bots or any other program that will allow you to install on a thumb drive it is like sooooooo much faster to load and run everything from the flash drive including the folders. If you do, just stick the entire folder on the flash drive so when starting up,loading list and other stuff from disk is 50x (or so) faster. The reason is you are not relying on the speed of your CPU hard drive (5,200 or 7,200 RPM's) whatever it may be while the Thumb drives are rather instant in comparison. Hope that helps (HTH), TC 4 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UBotDev 276 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Interesting finding for increasing total memory, but still, you should also consider that read and write speeds are much slower when compared with RAM.....it actually can't be compared to the speed of RAM or even a hard-drive (because RAM runs on internal bus, which is usually a lot faster than peripheral one), especially if you are using a USB2.0 or even USB1.0 flash stick/port. For example here are randomly found speeds for HDD, SSD and RAM and you can see that RAM is around 10 times faster than a SSD, and HDD is even worse....however, for comparison USB2.0 can reach read speeds around 35MB/s, which is even lower than HDD speeds from the previous image, so it doesn't come near SSD, not to mention comparison with RAM. With USB3.0 speeds are a bit better, but still, I would always prefer to buy extra RAM. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Code Docta (Nick C.) 638 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Sure, but some Computers/OS are only capable of having so much RAM installed. In such a computer that can add more RAM it of course add more. The technique was intended for or developed for Win XP users back in the day and my PC's are W7 with max 8GB RAM, but now I get 12GB (ish) Much more than that is probably useless for hire end CPU"s 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UBotDev 276 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 I see, and it works better? Will play with it a bit just out of curiosity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
arunner26 51 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 (edited) Traffik Cop,Thanks for the information. I have not read about ReadyBoost before; but I will give it a try. Andy (Arunner26) Edited July 24, 2014 by arunner26 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
LoWrIdErTJ - BotGuru 904 Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Great post to the OP *note keep in mind not all USB memory sticks are ReadyBoost possible. Make sure to read the details of the memory stick before purchase. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Code Docta (Nick C.) 638 Posted July 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Also, it does not show as RAM. So like, if go and see how much you have it will still be as original. It's like a cache and over time your system will get faster as it saves more on that ReadyBoost drive. Glad you like it, TC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
the_way 52 Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 one day we will be able to add extra cps, or memory modules externally like this, at the moment? maybe a bot slow Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastlinks 16 Posted October 9, 2014 Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 We have to setup the ready boost drive every time windows start up or it is just one time setting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Code Docta (Nick C.) 638 Posted October 9, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2014 one time deal just dont use that thumb drive I call mineDO-NOT-Touch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
giganut 109 Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 Very nice post TC, I will pass this on to some of my clients that are having a hardtime because of slow CPU speed, hey this may save a refund request one day. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastlinks 16 Posted October 10, 2014 Report Share Posted October 10, 2014 when selecting the usb stick, do i need to buy USB 3.0? i notice some USB have different speed, does it really matter? Speed: 32GB - 70MB/s read, 15MB/s write Speed: 16GB, 32GB, 64GB: 40MB/s read, 10MB/s writeIf i already have 8GM of physical RAM, will this trick still help me? thanks a lot! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Code Docta (Nick C.) 638 Posted October 11, 2014 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 rememberwhat TJ noted http://www.ubotstudio.com/forum/index.php?/topic/16673-how-to-speed-up-your-cpu-and-bots-using-spare-usb-flash-drives/&do=findComment&comment=99675 3.0 and a stick over 4 GB is over kill I think it only uses 4 GB of the stick anyway stick with 2.0, the stuff it saves are small files. think of it as webpage cache but for loading programs instead of pages. and you prolly only need one, but hey if 2 works great TC Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bot-Factory 602 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Readyboost is mainly to improve hard disk access time for random reads. It doesn't speedup CPU or ram. I think a better investment would be to buy a SSD drive if your system still runs on SATA. For the geeks:http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff356869.aspxhttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/magazine/ff356869.aspx CheersDan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastlinks 16 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Hi Dan, Do you think the major issue of a slow ubot is due to reading files on a SATA?I have 8GB RAM on a core2 dua and also tested on a friend's macbook with i5 processor, 8GB RAM (bootcamp running windows) but didn't see a huge improvement with the higher end processor.This make me wonder the main issue might be ubot reading files on the slow hard disk. Please advice. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bot-Factory 602 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Hi Dan, Do you think the major issue of a slow ubot is due to reading files on a SATA? I have 8GB RAM on a core2 dua and also tested on a friend's macbook with i5 processor, 8GB RAM (bootcamp running windows) but didn't see a huge improvement with the higher end processor. This make me wonder the main issue might be ubot reading files on the slow hard disk. Please advice. Slow can mean different things to different people. And it's an individual thing as well. What is slow to you, might not be slow for others. Can you elaborate a bit what slow actually means? Load time? Working within the UI? Always? Only with certain bots? Compiling? Dan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastlinks 16 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Slow can mean different things to different people. And it's an individual thing as well. What is slow to you, might not be slow for others. Can you elaborate a bit what slow actually means? Load time? Working within the UI? Always? Only with certain bots? Compiling? DanI notice if i am working on a medium size bot, it will be slow to drag and drop the node and when click on "ok" it will need some waiting time. (i am on v4.2.20 & carl's bootstrap UI) i will not load bot file and compiling bot all the time, so the speed for open and compiling are reasonable. what i am in concern is the speed of each drag and drop of command, i tried to upgrade RAM and CPU and it does have some improvement, but not much. (as i said i have tried on i5 with 8GB RAM, i just don't have the equipment to test with i7 and SSD yet) do i need a latest i7 with 16GB RAM + high speed SSD to make Ubot working fast? or may be upgrade to SSD will be the major improvement for this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kreatus (Ubot Ninja) 422 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I notice if i am working on a medium size bot, it will be slow to drag and drop the node and when click on "ok" it will need some waiting time. (i am on v4.2.20 & carl's bootstrap UI) i will not load bot file and compiling bot all the time, so the speed for open and compiling are reasonable. what i am in concern is the speed of each drag and drop of command, i tried to upgrade RAM and CPU and it does have some improvement, but not much. (as i said i have tried on i5 with 8GB RAM, i just don't have the equipment to test with i7 and SSD yet) do i need a latest i7 with 16GB RAM + high speed SSD to make Ubot working fast? or may be upgrade to SSD will be the major improvement for this? Do you have roboform installed on your computer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastlinks 16 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 Do you have roboform installed on your computer?nope Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kreatus (Ubot Ninja) 422 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 nope Hmm. Having ssd wont make a difference on ubot studio. I have it and it's the same speed with hdd it just load faster. Make sure you install all the windows update and latest framework. 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bot-Factory 602 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 I notice if i am working on a medium size bot, it will be slow to drag and drop the node and when click on "ok" it will need some waiting time. (i am on v4.2.20 & carl's bootstrap UI) i will not load bot file and compiling bot all the time, so the speed for open and compiling are reasonable. what i am in concern is the speed of each drag and drop of command, i tried to upgrade RAM and CPU and it does have some improvement, but not much. (as i said i have tried on i5 with 8GB RAM, i just don't have the equipment to test with i7 and SSD yet) do i need a latest i7 with 16GB RAM + high speed SSD to make Ubot working fast? or may be upgrade to SSD will be the major improvement for this? How many lines of code does the script has? When you switch to code view? Everything including HTML ui?If it's more than 1000, then you have the reason why it get's slow. If you use the ui html buider V5, it will produce like 20.000 lines of html code for the html ui = Ubot UI slow like hell. Fix = Don't use that much HTML UI code. Or remove it when you work on the bot. And put it back in when you are done and then compile. Dan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastlinks 16 Posted October 11, 2014 Report Share Posted October 11, 2014 How many lines of code does the script has? When you switch to code view? Everything including HTML ui?If it's more than 1000, then you have the reason why it get's slow. If you use the ui html buider V5, it will produce like 20.000 lines of html code for the html ui = Ubot UI slow like hell. Fix = Don't use that much HTML UI code. Or remove it when you work on the bot. And put it back in when you are done and then compile. DanHey Dan, I think this is the exact reason why my development always slow like hell The bot i am working on have about 17,000+ lines in code view (bot and UI html) Thanks for your advice, you are "saving lives" on this forum. Andrew Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bot-Factory 602 Posted October 12, 2014 Report Share Posted October 12, 2014 Hey Dan, I think this is the exact reason why my development always slow like hell The bot i am working on have about 17,000+ lines in code view (bot and UI html) Thanks for your advice, you are "saving lives" on this forum. Andrew No problem. The ui slowness with large bot's is one of the biggest problems I have as well. But it's the same in C#. When the code get's very long, the ui slows down there as well.Well... not as fast as with Ubot.. :-) Seth is working on bringing back the include command. So that you can load code externally. He's very well aware of that UI slowness issue. I recorded a couple of videos about that behavior during the 5.5 beta testing. Dan 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fastlinks 16 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 i just brought a 16GB USB3.0 flash drive to test the readyboost, i will format it to NTSF as suggested by some other readyboost forum. some comment said it do nothing to boost computer speed, some said it help a lot, so i will give it a try myself. my pc already have 8GB DDR2 RAM, i5 2.3GHz. I will report the result once i see some different. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mamica 10 Posted October 17, 2014 Report Share Posted October 17, 2014 Check taskmanager and you will see if CPU gets loaded up alot then you ened better cpu. (but i think u already have good one) SSD is must have, i dont have it But with SSD you will see what is speed. Your windows loading will be fast as hell and all disk reading too. it will speed webbrowser and with that ubot. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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