The rabbit hole gets deeper.

[innerged 15]

Im just thinking out loud.

 

Its been a month since ive got ubot, and i feel that ive accomplished so much with the help of some members here in the forum, but also it has been my ability how to create logic.  Now im at a point where im asking the right questions and its opening a whole world of possibilities ive never thought possible, and it makes me realize how spaghetti-ed up things can get programming wise.

 

Ive started with a simple twitter bot and have been doing some automated follow and unfollow stuff, allowing me to obtain 20 to 30 or so followers per day.  At first i thought this would be good enough  but soon realized that in order for me to achieve the kind of traffic i need i would somehow have to increase the amount of followers i could obtain per day.  I simply couldn't blast with one twitter account cuz that could lead to account suspension or worse account deletion.  So i did the math.
 

I realized if i want 20,000 to 30,000 new followers a day i would have to build a robust bot that would do thousands of email creation per day to then be used for creating thousands of twitter accounts.  So i decided to start coding, 2 days into the project i realized this is a daunting move from my part because there would be a number of steps i had to do to accomplish such task.  I ended up with such huge spaghetti code that seemed to work but at the turn of every corner i realized i had to set constant checks with alerts and pauses to make sure the bot didn't crash or went into limbo.

 

The point is that the true power of any automation  comes by accomplishing more than 300 or 400 follow a day which then converts to about 10% Of those follow as followers.  I realized its better to have 10,000 twitter accounts sending 50 follow request a day than to have 1 twitter account do 500 follow a day which can lead to account deletion hence wasted time.

 

Now that ive realized this my mind is racing a million miles an hour as to the possibilities of coding bots that would do this massive amount of spamming while staying under the radar which is the ultimate goal of any bot coder.  To make the story short, ive put this theory to the test and soon confirmed that the saying is true that says "its easier to steal 1 dollar from a million people than to steal a million dollars from one person"  so to put that saying to perspective, Ive concluded that the real skill of any bot programmer is to apply the same principle but to spamming. 

 

Just a thought

 

             from deep within

 

                             the rabbit hole.

            .--,_           / ,/ /          / // /         / // /       .'  ' (      /       \.-"""-._     / a   ' .    '    `-.    (       .  '      "   `.     `-.-'       "       '  ;         `.'  "  .  .-'    " ;          : .     .'          ;          `.   ' :     '   '  ;            )  _.". "     .  ";          .'_.'   .'   '  __.,`.         '"      ""''---'`    "'         Follow the white rabbit.

R.B.

Edited November 14, 2013 by innerged

[Kev 69]

Great post. I like the rabbit hole analogy!

[Frank 177]

Congrats RB,

 

You are progressing very quickly then! I was a bit slower. Took me about six months to get to where you are now. You'll find too, as your mind is 'programmed' to think like a programmer, you'll have more and more come to you. Truly exciting! My biggest holdback has been taking the time to learn more and more commands in different languages, lol. Maybe I just need to choose something and bloody stick with it. But that's a different animal altogether aye?

 

Frank

[innerged 15]

I got great news.

 

Ive proven to my self my theory is correct.  I have about 3,000 twitter accounts with about 50 friends each.  Then i posted an affiliate link to all of them and the money is comming in by the thousands.

 

Im now wondering if its even worth selling this bot, cuz now i realized i can make the money with the bot rather that selling the bot.

 

My reasoning is this:

 

The more people have these bots the more the market gets saturated, hence less money for me and the networks will increase their anti spam measures, and also do frequent updates rendering bots useless unless updated to maitain customers who bbought the bot.  Basically it seem to me that it is more profitable to keep this technology to my self and not sell the bots so i can prevent a market over saturation which could lead to greater anti spam technologies to be developed.  Now i see the other side of the coin, im going to keep all these bots to my self.  My first experience with botting happend during the myspace days. 

 

But i had to buy bots from someone.  I achived success to some degree but because of the huge amounts of spam happening withing myspace the bots where rendered useless in less than 2 months time.  Thats because while i had access to the bot so did many thousand others.  Im keeping in consideration my personal myspace days experience and applaying it to today where i no longer depend on someone to create bots. 

 

Im going to post my account sales from click bank so that you can see how much money i made in a matter of days.  its about $2,150 in less than 3 days.

 

Ill keep you posted.

 

 

                    

                                 Follow the white rabbit

                     _       _                    / \     / \                   {   }   {   }                   {   {   }   }                    \   \ /   /                     \   Y   /                     .-"`"`"-.                   ,`         `.                  /             \                 /               \                {     ;"";,       }                {  /";`'`,;       }                 \{  ;`,'`;.     /                  {  }`""`  }   /}                  {  }      {  //                    {||}      {  /                  `"'       `"'

Edited November 17, 2013 by innerged

[big dog status 2]

Here is some motivation for everyone, within my first month of using ubot in 2010 I made 100,000.00 profit in a month.

Edited November 18, 2013 by big dog status

[innerged 15]

Its possible to make 100k if you have the right product.

Edited November 21, 2013 by innerged

[xenergy 3]

Great post!

I'll follow the rabbits from now on

 

 

I got great news.

 

Ive proven to my self my theory is correct.  I have about 3,000 twitter accounts with about 50 friends each.  Then i posted an affiliate link to all of them and the money is comming in by the thousands.

 

Im now wondering if its even worth selling this bot, cuz now i realized i can make the money with the bot rather that selling the bot.

 

My reasoning is this:

 

The more people have these bots the more the market gets saturated, hence less money for me and the networks will increase their anti spam measures, and also do frequent updates rendering bots useless unless updated to maitain customers who bbought the bot.  Basically it seem to me that it is more profitable to keep this technology to my self and not sell the bots so i can prevent a market over saturation which could lead to greater anti spam technologies to be developed.  Now i see the other side of the coin, im going to keep all these bots to my self.  My first experience with botting happend during the myspace days. 

 

But i had to buy bots from someone.  I achived success to some degree but because of the huge amounts of spam happening withing myspace the bots where rendered useless in less than 2 months time.  Thats because while i had access to the bot so did many thousand others.  Im keeping in consideration my personal myspace days experience and applaying it to today where i no longer depend on someone to create bots. 

 

Im going to post my account sales from click bank so that you can see how much money i made in a matter of days.  its about $2,150 in less than 3 days.

 

Ill keep you posted.

 

 

                    

                                 Follow the white rabbit

                     _       _                    / \     / \                   {   }   {   }                   {   {   }   }                    \   \ /   /                     \   Y   /                     .-"`"`"-.                   ,`         `.                  /             \                 /               \                {     ;"";,       }                {  /";`'`,;       }                 \{  ;`,'`;.     /                  {  }`""`  }   /}                  {  }      {  //                    {||}      {  /                  `"'       `"'

[Ubot_guy 13]

Innerged,

 

Great topic. To address the "bot making theory" that you mentioned in your first post...

 

I've been working on/with a WP install/management bot for 2 years. Never really intending on selling it, since customer service is a different business from coding. A few days ago, some thing clicked and I went from a gather to a heard-er. Since my domain is small/well defined, I.E. owned URLs, this task is smaller scale.

 

I went from trying to code a bot that would install WP and setup everything (Security, SEO, Articles,ETC.) TO  making sure every time I bought a new URL that my WP bot would find the URL(At the registrar) do some KW research, setup standard WP install(With content) then move it into monitor and maintenance mode.

 

This can be the same for you, I.E. ALL twitter accounts (not just yours), since that is what you want to affect. Now, write code from that perspective...How can you affect all twitter accounts, in your example, that would be

 

1. Get all twit accounts to follow one or more of your twitter accounts.

2. Get every twit account to click on you Aff link.

3. Get every twit account to perform email submit, ETC.

4. Test, improve and repeat.

 

This can be done in various was ways, the first thought would be to break down the major niches and sub-niches, evaluate and rank each follower's account. Allowing your accounts to communicate may prove to be an invaluable asset, since understanding why any one person or small group is motivated to click, type or buy(CTB) gives you a better understanding why all people CTB this part of behavioral economics will take you from a bot coder to a system designer. The eco system will not only give you sustainability, but also raise the barrier to entry for your competition.

 

To put this in your terms, it will not only create a well worn path down the rabbit hole, it will also help "light the way". IMHO

 

This is is just some spit balling, If you'd (or anyone else) would like more specifics for your business(es), PM me.

 

I've got some twists to execute these types business rules. PM to get started.

[Wahoo 0]

bigdogstatus:

QUOTE: "Here is some motivation for everyone, within my first month of using ubot in 2010 I made 100,000.00 profit in a month."

 

  Its possible to make 100k if you have the right product.

  

 

bigdogstatus, can you provide some details, screenshots of income, etc.?  I would find that very helpful, if you would.  It's such a provocative statement I just had to ask!

 

Innerged, thanks for posting this thread.  It's very interesting.  I like rabbits! You're opening my eyes to the potential for having multiple social accounts.  I'll be watching your progress with interest.  I do agree that selling that bot would have the potential to ruin the effort, but you could limit the number of sales.  I think it's possible to saturate the market but given how many twitter accounts there are, and how many tweets are being sent daily, it'd be hard to overdo it.  Just a thought...good arguments on both sides.  I know of other products with similar built in potential to spoil the fun for the creator, but many have resorted to limited sales and found that can be nicely profitable.  Just learning from a case study of what and how you're doing this would be an interesting information product, too.  Any details (class of product, i.e., dating, weight loss, etc.) would be appreciated as well!!

[innerged 15]

its a product with high gravity high conversion rates.  The payout is 75% of $50 dollars cost.  Its cheap, easy to buy, and very convincing.  Also i made sure the sales page doesn't have cookie injection.  For those who don't know what that is, is basically a technique some dishonest clickbank vendors use to cheat the affiliate marketer out of their commission.

 

always remember cheap products with good sales pages convert well.  They don't convert well enough to use adwords.  The ROI doesn't match. But when using free traffic methods the click through rate is depressingly low, but at least the traffic was free.. I rather keep to myself what product it is. 

[innerged 15]

for those who doubt this is possible, code your self a simple bot, of any kind for social pages, FB, twt, myspace ect, add friends and then post affiliate links and youll see some money come in.  i calculated i make about 30 dollars per 5,000 clicks.  multiply that times many thousands accounts sending requests a day, youll be in for some serious money.  always remember none targeted traffic has very low CTR.  and the hops converts about 1% to 2%, of the hops.  Like i said the numbers are depressingly low.  But never the less is free traffic and free money.

Edited November 25, 2013 by innerged

[xenergy 3]

Do you use specific criteria to get or add friends/follower or they're just random people? So that we know $30/5k clicks are from targeted audience or simply random people.

 

Thanks for sharing.

 

for those who doubt this is possible, code your self a simple bot, of any kind for social pages, FB, twt, myspace ect, add friends and then post affiliate links and youll see some money come in.  i calculated i make about 30 dollars per 5,000 clicks.  multiply that times many thousands accounts sending requests a day, youll be in for some serious money.  always remember none targeted traffic has very low CTR.  and the hops converts about 1% to 2%, of the hops.  Like i said the numbers are depressingly low.  But never the less is free traffic and free money.

[innerged 15]

very specific criteria, but even then the traffic is still considered random because they are not necessarily looking for what you are offering.

 

Ok ill give you this much;

 

If i go to facebook and look for a fan page on HOW TO TRAIN YOUR ALIEN DOG FROM SPACE, i would scrape the fans of that page, send them friend requests.  Then later in those accounts i would paste affiliate links from click bank that matches my friends interests.  Simple.

 

the 30/5,000 is out of specific criteria.  But remember those are clicks, and not the amount of friends or emails sent.

 

so if i have 300 FB accounts with 50 friends each, then i post an affiliate link on my wall on each account then 15,000 people will see my walls post.  i think out of the 15,000 friends about 5% clicks the link, and then 1% of the clicks converts.  Like i said CTRs are depressingly low, and conversions are low.  To put this in perspective .0005 is a good number to measure all efforts. so if you want 750 sales then you would have to make sure you have about 1.5 million friends from FB.  Those numbers never fail me, and they keep my goals realistic and focused.  multiply 750 +/- 100 times 37 dollars of commission profit.  Like i said free traffic free money.

 

That is why i never stopped saying that astronomical amounts of accounts is needed to achieve success.  Is it worth it?  it depends on how much your time is worth.  The way i look at it is that its free traffic and money that i didnt work for except for the initial coding of the bot and the time to scrape the accounts.  Since i have 10 PC's to balance memory and work load resources then for me this isn't a problem. 

 

OK then you might be wondering why not send them an outright messege via FB.

 

The answer is simple.  Its because in my experience if you outright messege someone without knowing them to promote a product you will get spam flagged.  If you friend request them then you have total control as to how many time you post notifications which they will see over and over again.  So you have the opportunity to not market once but many times over and over again with out complaints.  It works my friend trust me it works!

 

And what ever you do, MAKE SURE IS A HOT CHICK on the accounts picture.  My experience is about 80% of all friend request sent to male or female will accept.  There is something magical about women that women and men alike seems to trust, i dont know why but it works.  ONLY HOT CHICKS! else youll be frustrated as hell as to why your friend requests arent going thru.  DUDE im giving my biggest secrets here on UBOTUnderground.

 

Also dont post on your wall over and over again the same thing.  Use a spinner to balance out what you are posting, from stupid stuff like "i dont feel goo today" to "i feel great" and then every 2 or 3 days throw in the notifications an affiliate link.  Make it look natural and not spammy.

Edited November 27, 2013 by innerged

[innerged 15]

Neo,

 

That's good. You've already started earning money recouping Ubot cost.

Mmm. What exactly is the Click Bank product that is getting you all these sales, may we ask ?

Instead of creating millions of accounts, I am rather getting into getting users use my bot for free providing on session startups they face book LIKEone of my sales pages or tweet about it and so on. This way, I make use of other peoples' followers and don't have to create billions of accounts. He! He!

So, you don't want to sell bots anymore and prefer to use them. Mmmm. Are you into buying bots, then ? With or without source codes ?

I recouped ubots cost and that is why im upgrading to developer in a few hours.

 

would i Buy bots from someone?  then why would i have bought ubot in the first place?  not into buying source code either.  I just want to make enough money to stay away from the 9 to 5 grind.

Edited November 26, 2013 by innerged

[botmaker7 5]

congrats on the success!

 

how many proxies you go through a month?

[innerged 15]

I dont use proxies. Too slow.

[newbot 0]

Hey,

 

You still around doing this I just got ubot wouldn't mind a chat?

[the_way 52]

he escaped from the matrix.

[newbot 0]

don't blame him - time to go it alone...